SECLEV has to be set by a site operator (or, as we used to call them back in the good old days, a SYSOP). As such, karma is not relavant or related to that - you have to DECIDE to give someone access to that feature.
KARMA is something anyone can aquire - known, trusted, or not. ALL the trolls on slashdot start out by whoring an account for karma until they hit the cap - then, they post trolls or flood stuff until the account is drained. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Basing the looseness of a filter on Karma is maddness for this reason, in my humble opinion, but I'd LOVE to see a way to exclude filters based on seclev. This would allow us to give a sort of 'trusted' status to friends, or people we know aren't going to abuse such trust, without letting the system make the decision for us.
Right now, I use the author flag that way to give unlimmited moderation to a select few. Not the best use of it, but it works. I'd like to see some logic in the filter like 'if seclev =>1 then !filter posts' so that I have a choice there as well, or perhaps a 'not filtered' checkbox for trusted users.
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Yes, I realized karma can be whored. That's what moderation and banlists are for.
But if the system is automated by virtue of karma, then the website's admin *doesn't* have to *do* anything. It's less overhead for them. The people who have good karma, those are probably your most active people on the site, and most trusted, so you don't want to inconvenience them with making it a friggin pain in the filter ass to post a simple message.
Re: seclev
Personally, I *hate* the seclev system. It's too limited.
I'd almost suggest that we remove the seclev from the options list here, and replace it with an ACL. Grant a user the ACL, then they get around the filters. Remove it, and they don't. Simple enough?
Now, who's going to submit a patch for this beast???;)
Well, you have a point, but my point is that to really combat troll abuse, manual intervention is necessary anyway. I'd rather *Have* to do something to give them power than let them aquire it via karma whoring. ACL's sound like an excellent solution.
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"How about you interface with my ass? By biting it!" --Bender
Lameness filter (Score:2)
If THIS doesn't prove the lameness filter is too tight, I don't know what does. :-)
How about a [code] option in the pull down (instead of Extrans)?
"How about you interface with my ass? By biting it!" --Bender
Re:Lameness filter (Score:2)
But the lameness filter squashed me for too much whitespace. To be honest I am more likely to just delete the filter for this site.
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YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:1)
(Interestingly enough, it bit me when I tried to post this. A subject of "YIKES" triggers the caps filter.)
"How about you interface with my ass? By biting it!" --Bender
Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:2)
lottadot [lottadot.com]
Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:2)
Karma - a BAD idea.
"How about you interface with my ass? By biting it!" --Bender
Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:1)
Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:1)
SECLEV has to be set by a site operator (or, as we used to call them back in the good old days, a SYSOP). As such, karma is not relavant or related to that - you have to DECIDE to give someone access to that feature.
KARMA is something anyone can aquire - known, trusted, or not. ALL the trolls on slashdot start out by whoring an account for karma until they hit the cap - then, they post trolls or flood stuff until the account is drained. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
Basing the looseness of a filter on Karma is maddness for this reason, in my humble opinion, but I'd LOVE to see a way to exclude filters based on seclev. This would allow us to give a sort of 'trusted' status to friends, or people we know aren't going to abuse such trust, without letting the system make the decision for us.
Right now, I use the author flag that way to give unlimmited moderation to a select few. Not the best use of it, but it works. I'd like to see some logic in the filter like 'if seclev =>1 then !filter posts' so that I have a choice there as well, or perhaps a 'not filtered' checkbox for trusted users.
"How about you interface with my ass? By biting it!" --Bender
Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:2)
That's what moderation and banlists are for.
But if the system is automated by virtue of karma, then the website's admin *doesn't* have to *do* anything. It's less overhead for them. The people who have good karma, those are probably your most active people on the site, and most trusted, so you don't want to inconvenience them with making it a friggin pain in the filter ass to post a simple message.
Re: seclev
Personally, I *hate* the seclev system. It's too limited.
I'd almost suggest that we remove the seclev from the options list here, and replace it with an ACL. Grant a user the ACL, then they get around the filters. Remove it, and they don't. Simple enough?
Now, who's going to submit a patch for this beast???
lottadot [lottadot.com]
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Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:2)
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Re:YIKES - (random lowercase text, ignore) (Score:1)
"How about you interface with my ass? By biting it!" --Bender